July 27, 2010 | 6:42 am
Hours after the president of HBO Sports said he had negotiated with both sides in an effort to make a Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather Jr. mega-fight on Nov. 13, Mayweather's lead adviser again denied the claim.
"Floyd is his own boss, calling his own shots," Leonard Ellerbe told The Times on Monday night.
HBO Sports President Ross Greenburg said in a prepared statement earlier Monday that he indeed had discussed the fight with representatives of both Pacquiao and Mayweather in an effort to make a bout that would match the repeat fighter of the year from the Philippines with unbeaten Mayweather.
The mediation failed, and Pacquiao proceeded to a replacement fight against Antonio Margarito on Nov. 13 at a site to be determined. The bout will be for the vacant WBS super-welterweight title, possibly Pacquiao's record eighth weight-division world title.
Ellerbe has said someone, either Arum or Greenburg, is "lying" if they believe Mayweather has participated in negotiations to fight. That point was effectively repeated Monday by Richard Schaefer, the Golden Boy Promotions executive who had been called upon in the past to assist Mayweather in fight negotiations.
Ellerbe said neither Mayweather nor his representatives ever entered into anything beyond cursory conversation with Greenburg. Ellerbe said Mayweather was doing what he had been since defeating Shane Mosley on May 1: taking time off to enjoy his life, his family and participate in other personal functions, as he said in this independent video June 2.
"This whole thing is getting blown out of proportion," Ellerbe said. "Floyd made it clear what his intentions were, after the fight ... and again in an interview last week. He's on vacation.
"Obviously, the parties making these statements need to understand what the term 'negotiation' really means. Calling to ask Floyd what he's thinking about doing is not a negotiation. How ... can you have a negotiation when the principal has made it clear he's not interested in doing anything at this time."
That certainly doesn't sit well with the boxing public, which has clamored for Mayweather-Pacquiao, but it should be noted "Money" earned about $65 million in two fights, in the September 2009 bout against Juan Manuel Marquez and the Mosley bout.
Ellerbe said he wasn't worried about Arum's claims that it's "unpardonable" to "lie to the press," as he said Ellerbe had done in previously insisting there were no negotiations. There's no love lost between Mayweather and his former promoter.
"I pay absolutely no attention to what Arum says," Ellerbe said. "He's just bitter because Floyd left him to become his own boss and has gone on to make $125 million since."
So when will Mayweather fight again? Apparently, whenever he wakes up one day and decides to. "When the time is right, it'll be right," Ellerbe said. "It'll be very simple."
That'll be something to see, after one prior collapsed negotiation in January and now this month's failed whatever-you-want-to-call-it.
-- Lance Pugmire
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Back in Action: Mayweather Ignores Pacquiao’s Deadline
by Rick Brown
Hello Sports Fans! I know I’ve been out of pocket for the last four weeks but I got to enjoy a little R&R (partly because the Mrs. hid my laptop and only gave me my Blackberry to use the phone).
So, what’s been going on in the boxing and MMA worlds? What I miss?
Well, I know Floyd Mayweather ignored a deadline to make a deal with Manny Pacquiao.
I have to give Bob Arum (Pacquiao’s promoter) credit. Instead of calling out Mayweather, he just moved on. Pacquiao will now fight Antonio Margarito in November.
Although people are disappointed, we must remember this: Mayweather never said he would fight again this year after defeating Shane Mosley in May. In fact, all he said was he was going to take a long vacation. This deadline was all Pacquiao’s. He’s the one who wanted to fight again this year after defeating Joshua Clottey in March.
The two will likely fight in 2011. I’m predicting in May. The money is too great to ignore
Hello Sports Fans! I know I’ve been out of pocket for the last four weeks but I got to enjoy a little R&R (partly because the Mrs. hid my laptop and only gave me my Blackberry to use the phone).
So, what’s been going on in the boxing and MMA worlds? What I miss?
Well, I know Floyd Mayweather ignored a deadline to make a deal with Manny Pacquiao.
I have to give Bob Arum (Pacquiao’s promoter) credit. Instead of calling out Mayweather, he just moved on. Pacquiao will now fight Antonio Margarito in November.
Although people are disappointed, we must remember this: Mayweather never said he would fight again this year after defeating Shane Mosley in May. In fact, all he said was he was going to take a long vacation. This deadline was all Pacquiao’s. He’s the one who wanted to fight again this year after defeating Joshua Clottey in March.
The two will likely fight in 2011. I’m predicting in May. The money is too great to ignore
Floyd Mayweather's a Coward: Manny Pacquiao Will Beat Antonio Margarito
By Colin Linneweber (Senior Analyst) on July 26, 2010 610
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Tom Pennington/Getty Images Is Margarito a disgusting disgrace?
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Submit Vote vote to see results Since “Pretty Boy” Floyd Mayweather is a yellow charlatan, WBO world welterweight champion Manny “Pac-Man” Pacquiao will fight disgraced former WBA, IBF and WBO welterweight titleholder Antonio “Tijuana Tornado” Maragarito for the vacant WBC junior middleweight crown November 13 at a venue to be determined.
In order for Margarito (37-6, 27 KOs) to be eligible to fight Pacquiao (51-3-2, 38 KOs) in the United States, he first needs to regain his license to box.
If Margarito isn’t reinstated, promoter Bob Arum said the two will battle in Monterrey, Mexico.
The “Tijuana Tornado” had his boxing license justifiably revoked by the California State Athletic Commission for at least a year in February 2009 after it was confirmed that he attempted to scrap former WBA welterweight super champ “Sugar” Shane Mosley (46-5, 39 KOs) with a plaster-like substance inside of his hand wraps.
Fortunately, Margarito was caught and proven to be a disgusting scumbag by officials at the Staples Center in Los Angeles before the match began and had the opportunity to seriously injure Mosley with his cement fists.
Once Margarito had his illegal hand wraps removed, the “Tijuana Tornado” was promptly brutalized by Mosley and defeated by ninth round TKO.
Margarito is perceived as the quintessential tough and rugged Mexican pugilist in the ring.
Nevertheless, his attempted actions against Mosley are a cardinal sin in boxing and they should never be forgiven.
"Boxing is considered a crazy and animalistic sport," said Mike Cappiello, a native of Brockton who once fought for the IBO super featherweight title and retired with an impressive mark of 33-6. "Margarito's actions further hurt the outlook of boxing."
Cappiello, the owner of Cappiello Brothers Boxing gym in "The City of Champions," continued his stance against Margarito.
"You need to keep boxing as safe as possible and make sure nothing serious happens to boxers. Margarito should be suspended for more than a year to make a statement."
Margarito is beloved by Mexican fight fans and he is a popular attraction throughout much of the United States.
Once the cheating-weasel is again sanctioned to fight, it will be alluring to watch the “Tijuana Tornado” get savagely bludgeoned by “Pac-Man” this autumn as a form of ring justice.
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Tom Pennington/Getty Images Is Margarito a disgusting disgrace?
Yes
No
Submit Vote vote to see results Since “Pretty Boy” Floyd Mayweather is a yellow charlatan, WBO world welterweight champion Manny “Pac-Man” Pacquiao will fight disgraced former WBA, IBF and WBO welterweight titleholder Antonio “Tijuana Tornado” Maragarito for the vacant WBC junior middleweight crown November 13 at a venue to be determined.
In order for Margarito (37-6, 27 KOs) to be eligible to fight Pacquiao (51-3-2, 38 KOs) in the United States, he first needs to regain his license to box.
If Margarito isn’t reinstated, promoter Bob Arum said the two will battle in Monterrey, Mexico.
The “Tijuana Tornado” had his boxing license justifiably revoked by the California State Athletic Commission for at least a year in February 2009 after it was confirmed that he attempted to scrap former WBA welterweight super champ “Sugar” Shane Mosley (46-5, 39 KOs) with a plaster-like substance inside of his hand wraps.
Fortunately, Margarito was caught and proven to be a disgusting scumbag by officials at the Staples Center in Los Angeles before the match began and had the opportunity to seriously injure Mosley with his cement fists.
Once Margarito had his illegal hand wraps removed, the “Tijuana Tornado” was promptly brutalized by Mosley and defeated by ninth round TKO.
Margarito is perceived as the quintessential tough and rugged Mexican pugilist in the ring.
Nevertheless, his attempted actions against Mosley are a cardinal sin in boxing and they should never be forgiven.
"Boxing is considered a crazy and animalistic sport," said Mike Cappiello, a native of Brockton who once fought for the IBO super featherweight title and retired with an impressive mark of 33-6. "Margarito's actions further hurt the outlook of boxing."
Cappiello, the owner of Cappiello Brothers Boxing gym in "The City of Champions," continued his stance against Margarito.
"You need to keep boxing as safe as possible and make sure nothing serious happens to boxers. Margarito should be suspended for more than a year to make a statement."
Margarito is beloved by Mexican fight fans and he is a popular attraction throughout much of the United States.
Once the cheating-weasel is again sanctioned to fight, it will be alluring to watch the “Tijuana Tornado” get savagely bludgeoned by “Pac-Man” this autumn as a form of ring justice.
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Pacquiao and Mayweather representatives still arguing over talks, who should we believe?
Although the fight talks are now long dead, for the time being at least, the controversy over what actually took place between the representatives of Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather rages on.
As most fans will no doubt have read essentially one side says that the two were in negotiations to put together a fight, while the other insists nothing even remotely close to this ever took place.
Today though the final player in proceedings finally spoke up, hopefully ending speculation and settling the matter once and for all.
Fans on either side have been divided over which side should be believed, but today Ross Greenburg has given his side of things.
The one man in the middle of the two camps and who can probably be trusted more easily than anyone else is Greenburg, the president of HBO sports, and as such a neutral party. Unlike either side his interest in getting involved was purely that the fight would get made, and discrediting either side wouldn't have served him any purpose because he will still have to work with both in the future.
In a statement released today Greenburg said:
“Fights like Mayweather vs. Pacquiao are significant because of these fighters’ ability to connect with sports fans around the world. It’s unfortunate that it won’t happen in 2010. I had been negotiating with a representative from each side since May 2nd, carefully trying to put the fight together. Hopefully, someday this fight will happen. Sports fans deserve it.”
Greenburg's statement not only confirms that talks indeed were happening, but also clarifies what kind of negotiations were happening. It was speculated by many writers recently that the talks only actually consisted of Pacquiao's side making an offer through Greenburg, and Mayweather's camp subsequently ignoring it.
At the same time, Oscar De La Hoya today also claimed that there were no talks going on, a stance he shares with Golden Boy and team Mayweather. This despite the fact that he famously said that a fight agreement was very close on a Spanish television station, and then later claimed to have been misquoted.
When asked by boxingscene today why he previously claimed that the two sides were close to finalizing a fight deal, De La Hoya said:
"I think I said it because I get the question asked so many times that, obviously, I was fed up and tired of it and I just said like, yeah, yeah, it's gonna get made,"
"So it was a quick answer that I should have obviously thought about. But, obviously, negotiations weren't going on. Nothing was going on. Like I said, Mayweather has the key to making that fight happen."
What if anything occured between the two sides? There were talks between Mayweather and Pacquiao There were never any talks Pacquiao offered terms, Mayweather didn't respond Created on Jul 26, 2010
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My assumption is that of all people, Greenburg is the man to trust in this situation. He has no vested interest in anything besides telling his side of the story, and probably has no preference between Top Rank and Golden Boy, who both provide him with big business.
Why the Mayweather team is continuing with their denial of the talks is certainly lost on most, and with Pacquiao now fighting Antonio Margarito in November and Mayweather possible looking into other fights himself, they might save themselves further embarrassment by just letting the matter drop.
Samuel Yorke, Pittsburgh: "Greenburg proves it, the Mayweathers have been lying all along"
Dennis Santiago, New York: "The public has already decided, so why are both sides still tring to outdo the other one? No one trusts Arum, Oscar or Schaefer but Greenburg isn't on anyone's side here so calling him a liar is pointless"
As most fans will no doubt have read essentially one side says that the two were in negotiations to put together a fight, while the other insists nothing even remotely close to this ever took place.
Today though the final player in proceedings finally spoke up, hopefully ending speculation and settling the matter once and for all.
Fans on either side have been divided over which side should be believed, but today Ross Greenburg has given his side of things.
The one man in the middle of the two camps and who can probably be trusted more easily than anyone else is Greenburg, the president of HBO sports, and as such a neutral party. Unlike either side his interest in getting involved was purely that the fight would get made, and discrediting either side wouldn't have served him any purpose because he will still have to work with both in the future.
In a statement released today Greenburg said:
“Fights like Mayweather vs. Pacquiao are significant because of these fighters’ ability to connect with sports fans around the world. It’s unfortunate that it won’t happen in 2010. I had been negotiating with a representative from each side since May 2nd, carefully trying to put the fight together. Hopefully, someday this fight will happen. Sports fans deserve it.”
Greenburg's statement not only confirms that talks indeed were happening, but also clarifies what kind of negotiations were happening. It was speculated by many writers recently that the talks only actually consisted of Pacquiao's side making an offer through Greenburg, and Mayweather's camp subsequently ignoring it.
At the same time, Oscar De La Hoya today also claimed that there were no talks going on, a stance he shares with Golden Boy and team Mayweather. This despite the fact that he famously said that a fight agreement was very close on a Spanish television station, and then later claimed to have been misquoted.
When asked by boxingscene today why he previously claimed that the two sides were close to finalizing a fight deal, De La Hoya said:
"I think I said it because I get the question asked so many times that, obviously, I was fed up and tired of it and I just said like, yeah, yeah, it's gonna get made,"
"So it was a quick answer that I should have obviously thought about. But, obviously, negotiations weren't going on. Nothing was going on. Like I said, Mayweather has the key to making that fight happen."
What if anything occured between the two sides? There were talks between Mayweather and Pacquiao There were never any talks Pacquiao offered terms, Mayweather didn't respond Created on Jul 26, 2010
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poll by twiigs.com
My assumption is that of all people, Greenburg is the man to trust in this situation. He has no vested interest in anything besides telling his side of the story, and probably has no preference between Top Rank and Golden Boy, who both provide him with big business.
Why the Mayweather team is continuing with their denial of the talks is certainly lost on most, and with Pacquiao now fighting Antonio Margarito in November and Mayweather possible looking into other fights himself, they might save themselves further embarrassment by just letting the matter drop.
Samuel Yorke, Pittsburgh: "Greenburg proves it, the Mayweathers have been lying all along"
Dennis Santiago, New York: "The public has already decided, so why are both sides still tring to outdo the other one? No one trusts Arum, Oscar or Schaefer but Greenburg isn't on anyone's side here so calling him a liar is pointless"
Pacquiao-Mayweather: Which Is Worse, Being Labeled a Juicer or Chicken?
By King J (Featured Columnist) on July 26, 2010 341
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Jeoffrey Maitem/Getty Images Would You rather be Labled:
Juicer
Chicken
Chicken Juice
Submit Vote vote to see results Back in March, when the then-Pacquiao vs. Mayweather dream fight first began to fall apart into a downward spiral (yes, the first time), allegations were made against Pacquiao using performance-enhancement drugs and although these allegations have still yet to be proven many started to label Manny a steroid user because he refused to commit to Team Mayweather’s then-random drug testing agreement for their fight.
From that point on, many fight fans flooded the forums weighing in on whether Manny Pacquiao indeed uses performing enhancement drugs.
The publicity from this even got rival fight promoting company figures such as Golden Boy and credible media boxing figures such as Teddy Atlas weighing in as well with their own opinions and alleged inside information.
There was a severe backlash and Pacquiao’s almost unblemished public image was significantly tarnished with many fight fans and even fellow fighters and media all taking their sides giving Manny the label of being a “juicer.”
So for several months, many casual fans started to hate on Manny, questioning all his past achievements because of this new label of being a supposed “juicer.”
Then flash forward four months later to today, and ironically much of the public has either forgotten or does not view Manny to be “juicer” anymore, but instead they are labeling Floyd Mayweather as a chicken.
Primarily for not meeting Bob Arum’s supposed deadline from two weeks ago.
Much of the media including journalists from ESPN, and other credible boxing figures are labeling Mayweather a chicken for not responding to Bob Arum’s alleged deadline.
Floyd has however been on vacation in Puerto Rico and his team have stated that there were never any actual negotiations going on and there was never a contract presented to them.
Whether this is true or not or a stretch of the truth the media and public have now labeled Floyd a chicken and a coward for ducking Manny Pacquiao.
Now the real question of the hour is would you rather be considered and labeled a: “juicer” or a “chicken”. In the world of boxing both of these labels are obvious career killers and probably two of the worst things that a fighter can be known as.
I remember when I was in college and we all had to write this monster final project research paper. I asked Sergio a classmate of mine who had finished the course last year if I can read some of his paper and he showed me this award winning dissertation written by some Ivy League scholar who looked like he was writing in some foreign language. I then asked him where the hell did he get this paper from? Then I realized this was his actual paper and I thought for sure he had plagiarized the whole thing for it seemed like something he was never capable of writing. At first it may seem quite insulting to Sergio that I strongly disbelieved he could ever write this paper, but he responded to me, “Well thanks, this is the biggest compliment ever…. you are basically saying my paper was so exceptional.”
Ironically this is a unique way of viewing Pacquiao and his still unproven PED usage. Many began to believe the rumors were true about Pacquiao using PED’s because of his exceptional accomplishments in the ring which made him appear simply on a different level from all of his recent opponents.
However, when thinking of Floyd Mayweather being labeled a chicken, I cannot seem to twist that label into anything positive at all. It reminds me of a time growing up in Chicago in the early 1990’s when the gangs were really out of control back home.
There was a war going on between two of the biggest gangs of Chicago always fighting and killing each other every where you went.
Finally, the leaders of these rival gangs decided to settle it once and for all with an old fashion rumble in the forest preserve in the middle of the night on a Saturday.
Word had spread like wildfire that these two big gangs were going to have a big mother rumble and everyone in the civilian world started weighing in on who would win this rumble.
One gang reached out to their affiliates another even bigger gang in Chicago to team up and fight with them on their side for the rumble where the other rival gang pretty much remained very mysterious and quiet.
Finally that Saturday night came and the first gang showed up hundreds deep at the designated location with all intentions to win this war once and for all.
But the only problem was that the rival gang never showed up and so you had hundreds of gang members fired up and ready to fight and kill but nobody to fight and kill that night.
So shortly after that night this rival gang began to spread word that they never knew about this rumble ever taking place. They kept claiming that had they known they were supposed to rumble that Saturday night then it would have gone down for sure.
If you can imagine this gang started to lose a lot of street credibility and their reputation was pretty much done for many of their rivals began to lose respect for them and started to take them lightly.
This pretty much is what happened in Floyd Mayweather’s case. I personally do not think he is really scared or the chicken that everyone is labeling him these days however I can see how the general public may view him as that.
Had someone from Mayweather’s team expressed their thoughts or made a statement prior to the deadline then it would have helped maintain Mayweather's reputation instead of waiting until Bob Arum’s deadline, legit or not, came and passed.
So again if you had to chose. Would you rather be labeled a “juicer” or a “chicken”?
I personally would prefer to be labeled a juicer for the reasons I explained earlier in this article, for only greats who compete on a whole different level are often being accused of juicing. You never see a loser being accused of juicing.
How about you? “juicer” or “chicken”?
This article is making me hungry; time for dinner.
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Jeoffrey Maitem/Getty Images Would You rather be Labled:
Juicer
Chicken
Chicken Juice
Submit Vote vote to see results Back in March, when the then-Pacquiao vs. Mayweather dream fight first began to fall apart into a downward spiral (yes, the first time), allegations were made against Pacquiao using performance-enhancement drugs and although these allegations have still yet to be proven many started to label Manny a steroid user because he refused to commit to Team Mayweather’s then-random drug testing agreement for their fight.
From that point on, many fight fans flooded the forums weighing in on whether Manny Pacquiao indeed uses performing enhancement drugs.
The publicity from this even got rival fight promoting company figures such as Golden Boy and credible media boxing figures such as Teddy Atlas weighing in as well with their own opinions and alleged inside information.
There was a severe backlash and Pacquiao’s almost unblemished public image was significantly tarnished with many fight fans and even fellow fighters and media all taking their sides giving Manny the label of being a “juicer.”
So for several months, many casual fans started to hate on Manny, questioning all his past achievements because of this new label of being a supposed “juicer.”
Then flash forward four months later to today, and ironically much of the public has either forgotten or does not view Manny to be “juicer” anymore, but instead they are labeling Floyd Mayweather as a chicken.
Primarily for not meeting Bob Arum’s supposed deadline from two weeks ago.
Much of the media including journalists from ESPN, and other credible boxing figures are labeling Mayweather a chicken for not responding to Bob Arum’s alleged deadline.
Floyd has however been on vacation in Puerto Rico and his team have stated that there were never any actual negotiations going on and there was never a contract presented to them.
Whether this is true or not or a stretch of the truth the media and public have now labeled Floyd a chicken and a coward for ducking Manny Pacquiao.
Now the real question of the hour is would you rather be considered and labeled a: “juicer” or a “chicken”. In the world of boxing both of these labels are obvious career killers and probably two of the worst things that a fighter can be known as.
I remember when I was in college and we all had to write this monster final project research paper. I asked Sergio a classmate of mine who had finished the course last year if I can read some of his paper and he showed me this award winning dissertation written by some Ivy League scholar who looked like he was writing in some foreign language. I then asked him where the hell did he get this paper from? Then I realized this was his actual paper and I thought for sure he had plagiarized the whole thing for it seemed like something he was never capable of writing. At first it may seem quite insulting to Sergio that I strongly disbelieved he could ever write this paper, but he responded to me, “Well thanks, this is the biggest compliment ever…. you are basically saying my paper was so exceptional.”
Ironically this is a unique way of viewing Pacquiao and his still unproven PED usage. Many began to believe the rumors were true about Pacquiao using PED’s because of his exceptional accomplishments in the ring which made him appear simply on a different level from all of his recent opponents.
However, when thinking of Floyd Mayweather being labeled a chicken, I cannot seem to twist that label into anything positive at all. It reminds me of a time growing up in Chicago in the early 1990’s when the gangs were really out of control back home.
There was a war going on between two of the biggest gangs of Chicago always fighting and killing each other every where you went.
Finally, the leaders of these rival gangs decided to settle it once and for all with an old fashion rumble in the forest preserve in the middle of the night on a Saturday.
Word had spread like wildfire that these two big gangs were going to have a big mother rumble and everyone in the civilian world started weighing in on who would win this rumble.
One gang reached out to their affiliates another even bigger gang in Chicago to team up and fight with them on their side for the rumble where the other rival gang pretty much remained very mysterious and quiet.
Finally that Saturday night came and the first gang showed up hundreds deep at the designated location with all intentions to win this war once and for all.
But the only problem was that the rival gang never showed up and so you had hundreds of gang members fired up and ready to fight and kill but nobody to fight and kill that night.
So shortly after that night this rival gang began to spread word that they never knew about this rumble ever taking place. They kept claiming that had they known they were supposed to rumble that Saturday night then it would have gone down for sure.
If you can imagine this gang started to lose a lot of street credibility and their reputation was pretty much done for many of their rivals began to lose respect for them and started to take them lightly.
This pretty much is what happened in Floyd Mayweather’s case. I personally do not think he is really scared or the chicken that everyone is labeling him these days however I can see how the general public may view him as that.
Had someone from Mayweather’s team expressed their thoughts or made a statement prior to the deadline then it would have helped maintain Mayweather's reputation instead of waiting until Bob Arum’s deadline, legit or not, came and passed.
So again if you had to chose. Would you rather be labeled a “juicer” or a “chicken”?
I personally would prefer to be labeled a juicer for the reasons I explained earlier in this article, for only greats who compete on a whole different level are often being accused of juicing. You never see a loser being accused of juicing.
How about you? “juicer” or “chicken”?
This article is making me hungry; time for dinner.
HBO's Ross Greenburg: Mayweather-Pacquiao Negotiations Took Place
In his first public statements since the fallout from the alleged failed negotiations of Floyd Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao, HBO Sports president Ross Greenburg acknowledged that he acted as a mediator between Mayweather's handlers and those of Pacquiao's from Top Rank Promotions in an effort to bring their highly-anticipated fight to fruition.
Bob Arum, Top Rank Promotions' CEO, told reporters on July 16 that he had been negotiating with Mayweather's manager, Al Haymon, with Greenburg acting as the mediator. Golden Boy Promotions' president, Oscar De La Hoya, and Mayweather's adviser, Leonard Ellerbe, recently denied that negotiations took place.
In his statement e-mailed through his public relations department, Greenburg did not name Haymon or Arum, although he corroborated Arum's assertion.
"Fights like Mayweather vs. Pacquiao are significant because of these fighters' ability to connect with sports fans around the world," said Greenburg. "It's unfortunate that it won't happen in 2010,"
"I had been negotiating with a representative from each side since May 2nd, carefully trying to put the fight together," said Greenburg. "Hopefully, someday this fight will happen. Sports fans deserve it."
Golden Boy Promotions' CEO, Richard Schaefer, disputed Ross's claims.
"The only thing that I can say is that I stand behind my previous statement which is that I am not aware of any negotiations having taken place. I don't know where that statement from Ross is coming from. He didn't negotiate with me, and I have a very close relationship with Leonard Ellerbe and with Al Haymon, and I'm not aware that either one of them had held negotiations with Ross Greenburg," said Schaefer, whose company has promoted Mayweather's past two victories over Juan Manuel Marquez and Shane Mosley.
"It must have been quite a negotiation for Bob Arum to issue a statement that the fight was done, and that the members of Team Mayweather, whomever Ross was supposed to be negotiating with, were okay with the terms on the table, and that the deal was simply awaiting Floyd Mayweather's signature," said Schaefer.
"That must have been something that he had heard from Ross," said Schaefer. "So I would be anxious to know who Ross was negotiating those terms with and who gave Ross the indication that any potential terms on the table were acceptable to Mayweather, because I'm sure that Bob wouldn't say those things unless he was told them by Ross."
Not long after Arum's conference call, Ellerbe released a statement denying the negotiations ever took place.
"Here are the facts. Al Haymon, Richard Schaefer and myself speak to each other on a regular basis, and the truth is no negotiations have ever taken place," stated Ellerbe. "Nor was there ever a deal agreed upon by Team Mayweather or Floyd Mayweather to fight Manny Pacquiao on Nov. 13. Either Ross Greenburg or Bob Arum is not telling the truth, but history tells us who is lying."
Arum responded by calling Ellerbe's statements, "preposterous," and, "totally bizarre," adding, "it's almost like dealing with people who have lost their minds."
Arum could not be reached for comment.
"Bob Arum is probably upset because he has no control over anything that Floyd does, so I stand behind the statement that I gave last week 100 percent, and I pay absolutely no attention to Arum attempting to attack me personally by calling me crazy," said Ellerbe of Arum, who once promoted Mayweather.
"Call me crazy if you want to, but I deal with the facts. And these are the facts: Floyd Mayweather has become the biggest star in the sport, and has made over $120 million since he left Arum. So if that makes me crazy, then, so be it."
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Bob Arum, Top Rank Promotions' CEO, told reporters on July 16 that he had been negotiating with Mayweather's manager, Al Haymon, with Greenburg acting as the mediator. Golden Boy Promotions' president, Oscar De La Hoya, and Mayweather's adviser, Leonard Ellerbe, recently denied that negotiations took place.
In his statement e-mailed through his public relations department, Greenburg did not name Haymon or Arum, although he corroborated Arum's assertion.
"Fights like Mayweather vs. Pacquiao are significant because of these fighters' ability to connect with sports fans around the world," said Greenburg. "It's unfortunate that it won't happen in 2010,"
"I had been negotiating with a representative from each side since May 2nd, carefully trying to put the fight together," said Greenburg. "Hopefully, someday this fight will happen. Sports fans deserve it."
Golden Boy Promotions' CEO, Richard Schaefer, disputed Ross's claims.
"The only thing that I can say is that I stand behind my previous statement which is that I am not aware of any negotiations having taken place. I don't know where that statement from Ross is coming from. He didn't negotiate with me, and I have a very close relationship with Leonard Ellerbe and with Al Haymon, and I'm not aware that either one of them had held negotiations with Ross Greenburg," said Schaefer, whose company has promoted Mayweather's past two victories over Juan Manuel Marquez and Shane Mosley.
"It must have been quite a negotiation for Bob Arum to issue a statement that the fight was done, and that the members of Team Mayweather, whomever Ross was supposed to be negotiating with, were okay with the terms on the table, and that the deal was simply awaiting Floyd Mayweather's signature," said Schaefer.
"That must have been something that he had heard from Ross," said Schaefer. "So I would be anxious to know who Ross was negotiating those terms with and who gave Ross the indication that any potential terms on the table were acceptable to Mayweather, because I'm sure that Bob wouldn't say those things unless he was told them by Ross."
Not long after Arum's conference call, Ellerbe released a statement denying the negotiations ever took place.
"Here are the facts. Al Haymon, Richard Schaefer and myself speak to each other on a regular basis, and the truth is no negotiations have ever taken place," stated Ellerbe. "Nor was there ever a deal agreed upon by Team Mayweather or Floyd Mayweather to fight Manny Pacquiao on Nov. 13. Either Ross Greenburg or Bob Arum is not telling the truth, but history tells us who is lying."
Arum responded by calling Ellerbe's statements, "preposterous," and, "totally bizarre," adding, "it's almost like dealing with people who have lost their minds."
Arum could not be reached for comment.
"Bob Arum is probably upset because he has no control over anything that Floyd does, so I stand behind the statement that I gave last week 100 percent, and I pay absolutely no attention to Arum attempting to attack me personally by calling me crazy," said Ellerbe of Arum, who once promoted Mayweather.
"Call me crazy if you want to, but I deal with the facts. And these are the facts: Floyd Mayweather has become the biggest star in the sport, and has made over $120 million since he left Arum. So if that makes me crazy, then, so be it."
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HBO Sports president discusses Mayweather-Pacquiao talks
The president of HBO Sports announced that he did negotiate with representatives of both Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. to try to stage a super-fight between the pair this year.
Ross Greenburg, in a prepared statement e-mailed to The Times on Monday, said, "Fights like Mayweather vs. Pacquiao are significant because of these fighters' ability to connect with sports fans around the world.
"It's unfortunate that it won't happen in 2010.
"I had been negotiating with a representative from each side since May 2, carefully trying to put the fight together. Hopefully, someday this fight will happen. Sports fans deserve it."
Greenburg's statement contradicts a prepared statement by Mayweather's lead advisor, Leonard Ellerbe, released in the days after Pacquiao promoter, Bob Arum, said he was moving on past the deadline for Pacquiao's exclusive talks with Mayweather. Pacquiao will now fight Antonio Margarito on Nov. 13 at a site to be determined.
"No negotiations have ever taken place, nor was there ever a deal agreed upon by Team Mayweather or Floyd Mayweather to fight Manny Pacquiao on Nov. 13," Ellerbe said then. "Either Ross Greenburg or Bob Arum is not telling the truth, but history tells us who is lying."
Arum responded to Greenburg's statement by criticizing Oscar De La Hoya and his Golden Boy Promotions Chief Executive Richard Schaefer for previously describing negotiations as "very close," -- as De La Hoya formerly told a Spanish-language television network -- and for not being more forthcoming about talks.
Schaefer, reached Monday by The Times, said he was unsure what prompted Greenburg's statement and said, "[Greenburg] has not negotiated with me, let me put it like that," and added he had no information that Greenburg had talked to Mayweather's manager, Al Haymon, either.
"Leonard, me and Al talk on a regular basis, and I'm not aware of these 'negotiations' taking place, and I'm totally surprised Ross Greenburg would claim differently. If these negotiations took place, I'm confident I would have been aware of them."
De La Hoya, at a media day in Hollywood for Saturday's Juan Manuel Marquez-Juan Diaz fight in Las Vegas, said he originally described talks as "very close" because, "I was getting the question so often, I was hearing it in my sleep," he said. "I was like, 'Yeah, yeah, it's close.' But I really didn't know."
Arum said Greenburg, who was apparently acting as a mediator of sorts, portrayed negotiations "exactly as I saw it, and how I acted. Ross is reflecting what the facts were. The [Ellerbe] statement defied explanation.
"You don't lie to the press. And the thing Oscar had said ... they've done the unpardonable: They've lied to the press."
Schaefer said he didn't appreciate the timing of Greenburg's statement as the promoter worked on fight-week preparations in Las Vegas for Golden Boy's HBO pay-per-view card, headlined by the Marquez-Diaz world lightweight title fight.
"I find it extremely unprofessional the president of HBO Sports would issue this statement before this weekend's Golden Boy fights, one of our deepest cards ever," Schaefer said. "My entire focus this week is on the well-being of this pay-per-view card on HBO, and they would be well-served to do the same thing."
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Ross Greenburg, in a prepared statement e-mailed to The Times on Monday, said, "Fights like Mayweather vs. Pacquiao are significant because of these fighters' ability to connect with sports fans around the world.
"It's unfortunate that it won't happen in 2010.
"I had been negotiating with a representative from each side since May 2, carefully trying to put the fight together. Hopefully, someday this fight will happen. Sports fans deserve it."
Greenburg's statement contradicts a prepared statement by Mayweather's lead advisor, Leonard Ellerbe, released in the days after Pacquiao promoter, Bob Arum, said he was moving on past the deadline for Pacquiao's exclusive talks with Mayweather. Pacquiao will now fight Antonio Margarito on Nov. 13 at a site to be determined.
"No negotiations have ever taken place, nor was there ever a deal agreed upon by Team Mayweather or Floyd Mayweather to fight Manny Pacquiao on Nov. 13," Ellerbe said then. "Either Ross Greenburg or Bob Arum is not telling the truth, but history tells us who is lying."
Arum responded to Greenburg's statement by criticizing Oscar De La Hoya and his Golden Boy Promotions Chief Executive Richard Schaefer for previously describing negotiations as "very close," -- as De La Hoya formerly told a Spanish-language television network -- and for not being more forthcoming about talks.
Schaefer, reached Monday by The Times, said he was unsure what prompted Greenburg's statement and said, "[Greenburg] has not negotiated with me, let me put it like that," and added he had no information that Greenburg had talked to Mayweather's manager, Al Haymon, either.
"Leonard, me and Al talk on a regular basis, and I'm not aware of these 'negotiations' taking place, and I'm totally surprised Ross Greenburg would claim differently. If these negotiations took place, I'm confident I would have been aware of them."
De La Hoya, at a media day in Hollywood for Saturday's Juan Manuel Marquez-Juan Diaz fight in Las Vegas, said he originally described talks as "very close" because, "I was getting the question so often, I was hearing it in my sleep," he said. "I was like, 'Yeah, yeah, it's close.' But I really didn't know."
Arum said Greenburg, who was apparently acting as a mediator of sorts, portrayed negotiations "exactly as I saw it, and how I acted. Ross is reflecting what the facts were. The [Ellerbe] statement defied explanation.
"You don't lie to the press. And the thing Oscar had said ... they've done the unpardonable: They've lied to the press."
Schaefer said he didn't appreciate the timing of Greenburg's statement as the promoter worked on fight-week preparations in Las Vegas for Golden Boy's HBO pay-per-view card, headlined by the Marquez-Diaz world lightweight title fight.
"I find it extremely unprofessional the president of HBO Sports would issue this statement before this weekend's Golden Boy fights, one of our deepest cards ever," Schaefer said. "My entire focus this week is on the well-being of this pay-per-view card on HBO, and they would be well-served to do the same thing."
-- Lance Pugmire
Mayweather and Pacquiao Can’t Seem to Agree
By GREG BISHOP
Published: July 26, 2010
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CloseLinkedinDiggMixxMySpaceYahoo! BuzzPermalink Surreal negotiations between representatives for Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. included a flap over drug testing, an election in the Philippines, a gag order, a 3 a.m. conference call and a firm denial that the second round of discussions even took place.
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Floyd Mayweather Jr. beat Shane Mosely in May.
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The suspended fighter Antonio Margarito at a hearing of the Nevada State Athletic Commission. He was barred when a hardened substance was found in his glove before a fight in 2009.
The back-and-forth has produced everything except an actual fight.
Instead, Pacquiao will soon sign an agreement to face Antonio Margarito in November, adding another subplot to the highly anticipated but increasingly unlikely main event.
“This is out of never-never land,” said Bob Arum, Pacquiao’s promoter with Top Rank Boxing. “I’ve seen fights fall apart for all sorts of reasons. But this is the twilight zone.”
Boxing history is filled with such strange sagas, but rarely, if ever, have two fighters who stand to divide some $60 million to $80 million not reached an agreement. For the longtime HBO boxing analyst Larry Merchant, this seems “if not unique, then unimaginable.”
The stall has little to do with money. Both boxers were ranked in the Forbes Celebrity 100 list. Mayweather (No. 31) made $65 million in his last two fights, placing him sixth among athletes and higher than David Beckham and Alex Rodriguez. (Pacquiao was 55th.)
“Usually, when there’s this much money involved, they find a way to split it up,” Merchant said. “But that’s never been an issue here. The appearance is that Pacquiao agreed to virtually all of Mayweather’s demands, and Mayweather couldn’t take yes for an answer.”
Mayweather last fought twice in the same year in 2007, and since his triumph over Shane Mosley in May, he twice stated that he was not thinking about boxing. What Mayweather did not do is issue a formal statement, which seemingly would have ended all the fuss.
Previous negotiations had imploded because Pacquiao balked at Mayweather’s demands for Olympic-style blood testing up until the fight. After those discussions turned acrimonious and public, a gag order went into place.
The sides disagree on what happened next. Arum said Ross Greenburg, the president of HBO Sports, acted as an intermediary between Top Rank and Al Haymon, a Mayweather representative. Greenburg confirmed that for the first time Monday, saying he “had been negotiating with a representative from each side since May 2.”
Arum declined to discuss specifics but said that this time Pacquiao made additional concessions, addressing each of Mayweather’s concerns.
Mayweather did not participate in these talks. Perhaps this information never reached him. Perhaps he disagrees that these were, in fact, negotiations. But Arum and Greenburg dispute that, and Oscar De La Hoya, a Mayweather co-promoter recently, told Univision in June that the fight was “very close.”
Mayweather’s camp declined to comment Monday, but it released a statement July 19 — three days after Arum’s self-imposed fight deadline, which came complete with the early-morning conference call, had passed. The statement denied the existence of negotiations and ominously concluded, “history tells us who is lying.”
Before their falling-out, Arum once promoted Mayweather, and he said that the fighter’s unblemished record (41-0) remained his most important asset. “If he lost that, it would be like dying,” Arum said.
Merchant said it left the question, rightly or wrongly, of whether Mayweather simply does not want to fight Pacquiao, a notion that Pacquiao’s trainer, Freddie Roach, asserted Monday.
“Whenever you deal with a Mayweather, it’s going to be bizarre,” Roach said. “Let’s face it. He’s playing games, trying to call shots, making his own rules. At this point, I don’t care if we ever fight him. Mayweather is scared to fight us. He can bet on cockfights in Puerto Rico for the rest of his life for all I care.”
Roach was referring to a video that surfaced recently of Mayweather at a cockfight. Roach also recently shelved the Mayweather tapes he had been studying, tapes he said showed Mayweather was “hittable” and “getting older.”
Still, Roach added that each day, someone asked about the potential bout, including a recent inquiry by Sylvester Stallone. Instead, Pacquiao will fight Margarito, a former champion suspended for a year by the California State Athletic Commission after a hardened substance was discovered in his hand wraps before he fought Mosley in 2009.
Potential sites for the bout include Las Vegas, Dallas and Atlantic City, Arum said, but each would require Margarito to obtain a state license. Beyond that, Mosley destroyed Margarito, before Mayweather destroyed Mosley, and now Margarito will fight Pacquiao, with only a lackluster victory against Robert Garcia in between.
Should Margarito fail to obtain a license, Arum said the fight would take place in Monterrey, Mexico. (A long-shot group from the United Arab Emirates also bid.)
Merchant, for one, says Arum could have found a more worthy opponent than Margarito, like Andre Berto, Timothy Bradley, or Juan Manuel Marquez for the third time. Top Rank has been criticized for refusing to make fights outside of its stable, which includes Margarito.
All parties agree that the sport loses if Pacquiao-Mayweather fails to materialize. Merchant said boxing needed its high-profile, glamorous events, its Super Bowls, its routes into the casual sports’ fan’s wallet. Greenburg labeled the dream matchup significant “because of the fighters’ ability to connect with sports fans around the world.”
Arum added, “To have a seminal fight of this kind not happen is a sad, sad thing for the state of boxing.”
Merchant says the fight will happen, but not until next year. Meanwhile, Mayweather, perhaps the single most important entity in this odd drama, remained silent
Published: July 26, 2010
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Manny Pacquiao will fight Antonio Margarito next.
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The suspended fighter Antonio Margarito at a hearing of the Nevada State Athletic Commission. He was barred when a hardened substance was found in his glove before a fight in 2009.
The back-and-forth has produced everything except an actual fight.
Instead, Pacquiao will soon sign an agreement to face Antonio Margarito in November, adding another subplot to the highly anticipated but increasingly unlikely main event.
“This is out of never-never land,” said Bob Arum, Pacquiao’s promoter with Top Rank Boxing. “I’ve seen fights fall apart for all sorts of reasons. But this is the twilight zone.”
Boxing history is filled with such strange sagas, but rarely, if ever, have two fighters who stand to divide some $60 million to $80 million not reached an agreement. For the longtime HBO boxing analyst Larry Merchant, this seems “if not unique, then unimaginable.”
The stall has little to do with money. Both boxers were ranked in the Forbes Celebrity 100 list. Mayweather (No. 31) made $65 million in his last two fights, placing him sixth among athletes and higher than David Beckham and Alex Rodriguez. (Pacquiao was 55th.)
“Usually, when there’s this much money involved, they find a way to split it up,” Merchant said. “But that’s never been an issue here. The appearance is that Pacquiao agreed to virtually all of Mayweather’s demands, and Mayweather couldn’t take yes for an answer.”
Mayweather last fought twice in the same year in 2007, and since his triumph over Shane Mosley in May, he twice stated that he was not thinking about boxing. What Mayweather did not do is issue a formal statement, which seemingly would have ended all the fuss.
Previous negotiations had imploded because Pacquiao balked at Mayweather’s demands for Olympic-style blood testing up until the fight. After those discussions turned acrimonious and public, a gag order went into place.
The sides disagree on what happened next. Arum said Ross Greenburg, the president of HBO Sports, acted as an intermediary between Top Rank and Al Haymon, a Mayweather representative. Greenburg confirmed that for the first time Monday, saying he “had been negotiating with a representative from each side since May 2.”
Arum declined to discuss specifics but said that this time Pacquiao made additional concessions, addressing each of Mayweather’s concerns.
Mayweather did not participate in these talks. Perhaps this information never reached him. Perhaps he disagrees that these were, in fact, negotiations. But Arum and Greenburg dispute that, and Oscar De La Hoya, a Mayweather co-promoter recently, told Univision in June that the fight was “very close.”
Mayweather’s camp declined to comment Monday, but it released a statement July 19 — three days after Arum’s self-imposed fight deadline, which came complete with the early-morning conference call, had passed. The statement denied the existence of negotiations and ominously concluded, “history tells us who is lying.”
Before their falling-out, Arum once promoted Mayweather, and he said that the fighter’s unblemished record (41-0) remained his most important asset. “If he lost that, it would be like dying,” Arum said.
Merchant said it left the question, rightly or wrongly, of whether Mayweather simply does not want to fight Pacquiao, a notion that Pacquiao’s trainer, Freddie Roach, asserted Monday.
“Whenever you deal with a Mayweather, it’s going to be bizarre,” Roach said. “Let’s face it. He’s playing games, trying to call shots, making his own rules. At this point, I don’t care if we ever fight him. Mayweather is scared to fight us. He can bet on cockfights in Puerto Rico for the rest of his life for all I care.”
Roach was referring to a video that surfaced recently of Mayweather at a cockfight. Roach also recently shelved the Mayweather tapes he had been studying, tapes he said showed Mayweather was “hittable” and “getting older.”
Still, Roach added that each day, someone asked about the potential bout, including a recent inquiry by Sylvester Stallone. Instead, Pacquiao will fight Margarito, a former champion suspended for a year by the California State Athletic Commission after a hardened substance was discovered in his hand wraps before he fought Mosley in 2009.
Potential sites for the bout include Las Vegas, Dallas and Atlantic City, Arum said, but each would require Margarito to obtain a state license. Beyond that, Mosley destroyed Margarito, before Mayweather destroyed Mosley, and now Margarito will fight Pacquiao, with only a lackluster victory against Robert Garcia in between.
Should Margarito fail to obtain a license, Arum said the fight would take place in Monterrey, Mexico. (A long-shot group from the United Arab Emirates also bid.)
Merchant, for one, says Arum could have found a more worthy opponent than Margarito, like Andre Berto, Timothy Bradley, or Juan Manuel Marquez for the third time. Top Rank has been criticized for refusing to make fights outside of its stable, which includes Margarito.
All parties agree that the sport loses if Pacquiao-Mayweather fails to materialize. Merchant said boxing needed its high-profile, glamorous events, its Super Bowls, its routes into the casual sports’ fan’s wallet. Greenburg labeled the dream matchup significant “because of the fighters’ ability to connect with sports fans around the world.”
Arum added, “To have a seminal fight of this kind not happen is a sad, sad thing for the state of boxing.”
Merchant says the fight will happen, but not until next year. Meanwhile, Mayweather, perhaps the single most important entity in this odd drama, remained silent
Exec: Pacquiao-Mayweather talks true
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As pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao moves on to a probable Nov. 13 fight against Antonio Margarito -- now that Floyd Mayweather has said he is not interested in making boxing's biggest fight, at least this year -- there is still some unfinished business from the messiness of last week's cliffhanger: Were the Pacquiao and Mayweather camps negotiating the fight or not?
Top Rank's Bob Arum, Pacquiao's promoter, insists they were, using HBO Sports president Ross Greenburg as an intermediary.
The Mayweather camp said that is not true and that there were never any negotiations.
The man in the middle of the storm, Greenburg, remained silent even when pressed repeatedly to offer his version of events.
On Monday night, Greenburg finally did.
He took the Arum/Pacquiao side.
"Fights like Mayweather vs. Pacquiao are significant because of these fighters' ability to connect with sports fans around the world. It's unfortunate that it won't happen in 2010," Greenburg said in a statement. "I had been negotiating with a representative from each side since May 2nd, carefully trying to put the fight together. Hopefully, someday this fight will happen. Sports fans deserve it."
The date Greenburg mentioned was the day after Mayweather's resounding decision win against Shane Mosley.
Arum had said over and over during the past two weeks, beginning on a 3 a.m. ET July 17 conference call to announce that the exclusive window to negotiate with Mayweather had closed, that he was negotiating the fight with Al Haymon, Mayweather's adviser, with Greenburg as the go-between.
Arum said he would discuss deal points with Greenburg, who would then take them to Haymon and vice versa.
Leonard Ellerbe, Mayweather's other adviser and the public voice because Haymon refuses to speak to the press, said a few days after Arum outlined how the talks went that there had never been any negotiations.
He released a statement a few days after Arum's teleconference that said, "Here are the facts. Al Haymon, (Golden Boy Promotions CEO) Richard Schaefer and myself speak to each other on a regular basis, and the truth is no negotiations have ever taken place, nor was there ever a deal agreed upon by Team Mayweather or Floyd Mayweather to fight Manny Pacquiao on Nov. 13. Either Ross Greenburg or Bob Arum is not telling the truth, but history tells us who is lying."
Ellerbe was clearly taking a shot at Arum, whose history of playing fast and loose with the truth is legendary in boxing circles.
Schaefer, who has promoted Mayweather's past several fights, also denied the negotiations and said he stood behind Ellerbe's statement.
Arum was pleased that Greenburg supported his version of events and cut him slack for taking a week to say so publicly.
"He works for a major public company and he has to clear this sort of thing with his bosses," Arum told ESPN.com. "I understand that he had to get his statement cleared."
Arum was not so kind to Schaefer.
"The one you should all be taking to task is Schaefer for lying to the press," Arum said. "You don't do that. You can say 'no comment' or say nothing. Richard Schaefer owes an apology to the press, not to me, because I've written him off a long time ago. But now anything he says will be suspect. I don't feel vindicated by Ross' statement because that's what happened. I knew what happened because I know I lived through the negotiations. I knew what I said about them was absolutely truthful so I didn't give a damn who believed me. No skin off my back.
"Indeed, when I made the statement about the negotiations on the conference call, I wasn't looking for controversy. I was kind to Mayweather. But Mayweather is the boss on his side and when he says, 'jump,' you're supposed to ask, 'how high.' That's why none of them have any credibility. Schaefer and Haymon and Ellerbe, they cling to the Mayweather boat because that's the source of their riches. So the fact is that Ellerbe, who is not a bad guy, will do anything that Floyd asks, but Floyd is not quite a rational person. For Schaefer to be part of this drinking the Kool Aid is really pathetic. It's really sad. Doesn't he have any pride?"
Ellerbe was surprised to hear what Greenburg said, but told ESPN.com, "I stand behind my statement 100 percent. Obviously, the term negotiation needs to be defined to those parties who are making these comments. Calling to inquire about what Floyd is thinking about doing is not a negotiation. There was never any negotiation. I respect Ross but I am 100 percent sure there were no negotiations."
Schaefer, in Las Vegas promoting Saturday night's Juan Manuel Marquez-Juan Diaz lightweight championship fight on HBO PPV, once again backed Ellerbe.
"I think it's unfortunate that Ross made that statement," Schaefer told ESPN.com. "I fully stand behind the statement I made. I have not negotiated with Ross and I am not aware of any negotiations that have taken place.
"If Ross or Arum wants to go through a lie detector test, we can arrange that. I can only tell you I have regular contact with Al and Leonard and there were no negotiations going on. I don't know exactly what Ross is referring to or what he is talking about. But I have been very consistent. There were none going on. Arum should just get a life and stop attacking me on a nonstop basis. This is really childish."
Arum is now focused on finalizing the Pacquiao-Margarito fight, which if completed, will take place at a maximum weight of 150 pounds for the WBC's vacant junior middleweight title. If Pacquiao wins, he would extend his record of winning world titles to an eighth weight class. Pacquiao has won titles from flyweight to welterweight.
Arum said although he has deals in principle with Pacquiao and Margarito, there is no site yet, mainly because Margarito is not licensed in the United States following the hand-wrapping scandal that engulfed him before his fight with Shane Mosley in January 2009. Before the fight, illegal pads coated in a plaster-like substance were found in Margarito's hand wraps. His hands were re-wrapped and Mosley wound up knocking out Margarito, who later had his license revoked by the California State Athletic Commission. Javier Capetillo, Margarito's former trainer and the man who wrapped his hands, also had his license revoked.
With the revocation period up earlier this year, Margarito returned to win a fight in Mexico and recently applied for a license in Nevada, where Arum hopes to stage the fight. However, Nevada officials declined to rule on his application, directing him to first go back to California, which has yet to listen to his appeal.
"Frankly, my desire is to keep the fight in the United States," said Arum, who said there is interest from Abu Dhabi and Monterrey, Mexico, in hosting the fight. "Manny would like to fight in Mexico to save on the taxes. He saves 30 percent. But we have a number of states we are talking to that will listen to Margarito."
Arum said he and Margarito's attorney are hoping that Nevada will reconsider his application and give him a one-fight license to face Pacquiao in an HBO PPV fight that would be a boon economically to a struggling city.
"There's a lot of pressure on me to get it done in Las Vegas from everyone in town," Arum said. "The fight is important to the city. But I want it known that if it is not in Las Vegas, it's not because of Bob Arum. I live there and I feel the town needs this. It's not because of me if the fight is caused to go elsewhere."
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As pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao moves on to a probable Nov. 13 fight against Antonio Margarito -- now that Floyd Mayweather has said he is not interested in making boxing's biggest fight, at least this year -- there is still some unfinished business from the messiness of last week's cliffhanger: Were the Pacquiao and Mayweather camps negotiating the fight or not?
Top Rank's Bob Arum, Pacquiao's promoter, insists they were, using HBO Sports president Ross Greenburg as an intermediary.
The Mayweather camp said that is not true and that there were never any negotiations.
The man in the middle of the storm, Greenburg, remained silent even when pressed repeatedly to offer his version of events.
On Monday night, Greenburg finally did.
He took the Arum/Pacquiao side.
"Fights like Mayweather vs. Pacquiao are significant because of these fighters' ability to connect with sports fans around the world. It's unfortunate that it won't happen in 2010," Greenburg said in a statement. "I had been negotiating with a representative from each side since May 2nd, carefully trying to put the fight together. Hopefully, someday this fight will happen. Sports fans deserve it."
The date Greenburg mentioned was the day after Mayweather's resounding decision win against Shane Mosley.
Arum had said over and over during the past two weeks, beginning on a 3 a.m. ET July 17 conference call to announce that the exclusive window to negotiate with Mayweather had closed, that he was negotiating the fight with Al Haymon, Mayweather's adviser, with Greenburg as the go-between.
Arum said he would discuss deal points with Greenburg, who would then take them to Haymon and vice versa.
Leonard Ellerbe, Mayweather's other adviser and the public voice because Haymon refuses to speak to the press, said a few days after Arum outlined how the talks went that there had never been any negotiations.
He released a statement a few days after Arum's teleconference that said, "Here are the facts. Al Haymon, (Golden Boy Promotions CEO) Richard Schaefer and myself speak to each other on a regular basis, and the truth is no negotiations have ever taken place, nor was there ever a deal agreed upon by Team Mayweather or Floyd Mayweather to fight Manny Pacquiao on Nov. 13. Either Ross Greenburg or Bob Arum is not telling the truth, but history tells us who is lying."
Ellerbe was clearly taking a shot at Arum, whose history of playing fast and loose with the truth is legendary in boxing circles.
Schaefer, who has promoted Mayweather's past several fights, also denied the negotiations and said he stood behind Ellerbe's statement.
Arum was pleased that Greenburg supported his version of events and cut him slack for taking a week to say so publicly.
"He works for a major public company and he has to clear this sort of thing with his bosses," Arum told ESPN.com. "I understand that he had to get his statement cleared."
Arum was not so kind to Schaefer.
"The one you should all be taking to task is Schaefer for lying to the press," Arum said. "You don't do that. You can say 'no comment' or say nothing. Richard Schaefer owes an apology to the press, not to me, because I've written him off a long time ago. But now anything he says will be suspect. I don't feel vindicated by Ross' statement because that's what happened. I knew what happened because I know I lived through the negotiations. I knew what I said about them was absolutely truthful so I didn't give a damn who believed me. No skin off my back.
"Indeed, when I made the statement about the negotiations on the conference call, I wasn't looking for controversy. I was kind to Mayweather. But Mayweather is the boss on his side and when he says, 'jump,' you're supposed to ask, 'how high.' That's why none of them have any credibility. Schaefer and Haymon and Ellerbe, they cling to the Mayweather boat because that's the source of their riches. So the fact is that Ellerbe, who is not a bad guy, will do anything that Floyd asks, but Floyd is not quite a rational person. For Schaefer to be part of this drinking the Kool Aid is really pathetic. It's really sad. Doesn't he have any pride?"
Ellerbe was surprised to hear what Greenburg said, but told ESPN.com, "I stand behind my statement 100 percent. Obviously, the term negotiation needs to be defined to those parties who are making these comments. Calling to inquire about what Floyd is thinking about doing is not a negotiation. There was never any negotiation. I respect Ross but I am 100 percent sure there were no negotiations."
Schaefer, in Las Vegas promoting Saturday night's Juan Manuel Marquez-Juan Diaz lightweight championship fight on HBO PPV, once again backed Ellerbe.
"I think it's unfortunate that Ross made that statement," Schaefer told ESPN.com. "I fully stand behind the statement I made. I have not negotiated with Ross and I am not aware of any negotiations that have taken place.
"If Ross or Arum wants to go through a lie detector test, we can arrange that. I can only tell you I have regular contact with Al and Leonard and there were no negotiations going on. I don't know exactly what Ross is referring to or what he is talking about. But I have been very consistent. There were none going on. Arum should just get a life and stop attacking me on a nonstop basis. This is really childish."
Arum is now focused on finalizing the Pacquiao-Margarito fight, which if completed, will take place at a maximum weight of 150 pounds for the WBC's vacant junior middleweight title. If Pacquiao wins, he would extend his record of winning world titles to an eighth weight class. Pacquiao has won titles from flyweight to welterweight.
Arum said although he has deals in principle with Pacquiao and Margarito, there is no site yet, mainly because Margarito is not licensed in the United States following the hand-wrapping scandal that engulfed him before his fight with Shane Mosley in January 2009. Before the fight, illegal pads coated in a plaster-like substance were found in Margarito's hand wraps. His hands were re-wrapped and Mosley wound up knocking out Margarito, who later had his license revoked by the California State Athletic Commission. Javier Capetillo, Margarito's former trainer and the man who wrapped his hands, also had his license revoked.
With the revocation period up earlier this year, Margarito returned to win a fight in Mexico and recently applied for a license in Nevada, where Arum hopes to stage the fight. However, Nevada officials declined to rule on his application, directing him to first go back to California, which has yet to listen to his appeal.
"Frankly, my desire is to keep the fight in the United States," said Arum, who said there is interest from Abu Dhabi and Monterrey, Mexico, in hosting the fight. "Manny would like to fight in Mexico to save on the taxes. He saves 30 percent. But we have a number of states we are talking to that will listen to Margarito."
Arum said he and Margarito's attorney are hoping that Nevada will reconsider his application and give him a one-fight license to face Pacquiao in an HBO PPV fight that would be a boon economically to a struggling city.
"There's a lot of pressure on me to get it done in Las Vegas from everyone in town," Arum said. "The fight is important to the city. But I want it known that if it is not in Las Vegas, it's not because of Bob Arum. I live there and I feel the town needs this. It's not because of me if the fight is caused to go elsewhere."
Dan Rafael is ESPN.com's boxing writer
Mayweather-Pacquiao talks: Sides still dispute existence
By Bob Velin, USA TODAY
HBO President Ross Greenburg disputed a claim by Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s adviser last week that there have been no negotiations for a proposed Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao mega-fight.
Leonard Ellerbe released a statement last Tuesday that said, "Here are the facts. Al Haymon (Mayweather manager), Richard Schaefer (Golden Boy CEO) and myself speak to each other on a regular basis, and the truth is no negotiations have ever taken place nor was there ever a deal agreed upon by Team Mayweather or Floyd Mayweather to fight Manny Pacquiao on Nov. 13. Either Ross Greenburg or (Top Rank chairman) Bob Arum is not telling the truth, but history tells us who is lying."
Greenburg said in a statement on Monday that he has been negotiating since the day after Mayweather scored an impressive 12th-round TKO victory May 1 against Sugar Shane Mosley in Las Vegas.
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"Fights like Mayweather vs. Pacquiao are significant because of these fighters' ability to connect with sports fans around the world. It's unfortunate that it won't happen in 2010," Greenburg's statement read. "I had been negotiating with a representative from each side since May 2, carefully trying to put the fight together.
"Hopefully, someday this fight will happen. Sports fans deserve it."
Schaefer, who is promoting this weekend's pay-per-view lightweight title rematch in Las Vegas between Juan Manuel Marquez and Juan Diaz, stood by his word, saying it was strange to hear Greenburg's statement.
"I have had no negotiations as it relates to this (Mayweather-Pacquiao) fight," he said. "I don't understand who Ross said they were negotiating with. They certainly have not been negotiating with me, I can tell you that."
Ellerbe, reached by phone, said, "This whole thing has gotten blown way out of proportion. I stand behind my statement 100%. Floyd Mayweather made it clear to everyone what his intentions were. He came up with a statement on June 2, and made it very clear what his intentions were. How can you have a negotiation when the principal himself says he's not even thinking about boxing at this particular time?"
Arum, meanwhile, said Greenburg's statement "comports exactly what happened.
"The guy who has a lot of answering to do is Mr. Schaefer. There's no excuse for that. You may equivocate, you may lie in your business, but you don't lie to the press. And that's what he did. And there was absolutely no reason for him to do that. He should have remained silent.
"And then to compound things, Oscar (De La Hoya), who went into detail about the negotiations four weeks ago, now says, 'well, I didn't mean it, there were no negotiations.' There's a particular sadness to all of this, that a guy like Mayweather can make people do these ridiculous things.
"It's so unnecessary. We tried to negotiate. I didn't put blame on anybody. As a matter of fact, I threw out lifelines giving reasons why (Mayweather) couldn't do the fight. Or he could've just said 'Hey, I had a fight in May and I don't want to fight until next year.' No problem.
All of this was a lot of nonsense. And it made everybody look bad."
HBO President Ross Greenburg disputed a claim by Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s adviser last week that there have been no negotiations for a proposed Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao mega-fight.
Leonard Ellerbe released a statement last Tuesday that said, "Here are the facts. Al Haymon (Mayweather manager), Richard Schaefer (Golden Boy CEO) and myself speak to each other on a regular basis, and the truth is no negotiations have ever taken place nor was there ever a deal agreed upon by Team Mayweather or Floyd Mayweather to fight Manny Pacquiao on Nov. 13. Either Ross Greenburg or (Top Rank chairman) Bob Arum is not telling the truth, but history tells us who is lying."
Greenburg said in a statement on Monday that he has been negotiating since the day after Mayweather scored an impressive 12th-round TKO victory May 1 against Sugar Shane Mosley in Las Vegas.
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"Fights like Mayweather vs. Pacquiao are significant because of these fighters' ability to connect with sports fans around the world. It's unfortunate that it won't happen in 2010," Greenburg's statement read. "I had been negotiating with a representative from each side since May 2, carefully trying to put the fight together.
"Hopefully, someday this fight will happen. Sports fans deserve it."
Schaefer, who is promoting this weekend's pay-per-view lightweight title rematch in Las Vegas between Juan Manuel Marquez and Juan Diaz, stood by his word, saying it was strange to hear Greenburg's statement.
"I have had no negotiations as it relates to this (Mayweather-Pacquiao) fight," he said. "I don't understand who Ross said they were negotiating with. They certainly have not been negotiating with me, I can tell you that."
Ellerbe, reached by phone, said, "This whole thing has gotten blown way out of proportion. I stand behind my statement 100%. Floyd Mayweather made it clear to everyone what his intentions were. He came up with a statement on June 2, and made it very clear what his intentions were. How can you have a negotiation when the principal himself says he's not even thinking about boxing at this particular time?"
Arum, meanwhile, said Greenburg's statement "comports exactly what happened.
"The guy who has a lot of answering to do is Mr. Schaefer. There's no excuse for that. You may equivocate, you may lie in your business, but you don't lie to the press. And that's what he did. And there was absolutely no reason for him to do that. He should have remained silent.
"And then to compound things, Oscar (De La Hoya), who went into detail about the negotiations four weeks ago, now says, 'well, I didn't mean it, there were no negotiations.' There's a particular sadness to all of this, that a guy like Mayweather can make people do these ridiculous things.
"It's so unnecessary. We tried to negotiate. I didn't put blame on anybody. As a matter of fact, I threw out lifelines giving reasons why (Mayweather) couldn't do the fight. Or he could've just said 'Hey, I had a fight in May and I don't want to fight until next year.' No problem.
All of this was a lot of nonsense. And it made everybody look bad."
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In Saturday's HBO pay per view televised main event, WBO and WBA lightweight (135 pounds) titlist Juan Manuel Marquez (50-5-1, 37 KOs) will clash with Juan Diaz (35-3, 17 KOs) in a rematch of their Feburary 2009 Fight of the Year, which was won by Marquez via ninth-round knockout.
FanHouse caught up to Marquez during a recent press conference, where he called out WBO welterweight (147 pounds) champion Manny Pacquiao (51-3-2, 38 KOs) and said that Pacquiao is afraid to face him.
Marquez has lost and drawn with Pacquiao, whom he said is not as good at Floyd Mayweather (41-0-25 KOs), a unanimous decision winner over Marquez. Marquez is promoted by Golden Boy Promotions, and Pacquiao by Top Rank Promotions.
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In Saturday's HBO pay per view televised main event, WBO and WBA lightweight (135 pounds) titlist Juan Manuel Marquez (50-5-1, 37 KOs) will clash with Juan Diaz (35-3, 17 KOs) in a rematch of their Feburary 2009 Fight of the Year, which was won by Marquez via ninth-round knockout.
FanHouse caught up to Marquez during a recent press conference, where he called out WBO welterweight (147 pounds) champion Manny Pacquiao (51-3-2, 38 KOs) and said that Pacquiao is afraid to face him.
Marquez has lost and drawn with Pacquiao, whom he said is not as good at Floyd Mayweather (41-0-25 KOs), a unanimous decision winner over Marquez. Marquez is promoted by Golden Boy Promotions, and Pacquiao by Top Rank Promotions.
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The Truth of Manny Pacquiao – Floyd Mayweather JR: The Bob Arum Deception
By Joe Wilson
One would think that trial and error is usually the best teacher. Even, if you are an architect, building a house or a carpenter, designing cabinets; without a blueprint or a design to follow, you are bound to make some mistakes. That is why it is important to follow the necessary steps to prevent making costly mistakes.
Bob Arum, Manny Pacquiao’s promoter has been promoting fights for many, many decades. If anyone should have the blueprint on putting together a fight, it should be him. Arum promoted some of the biggest fights in the 70’s and 80’s. He knows promoting, as good as most preachers know The Bible. This is how he gained all of his riches, and boy is he loaded.
I must admit he is the best at what he does. Arum has mastered the promoting game. Floyd “Money” Mayweather knows him better than anyone, because he was once promoted by him. Their departure was very bitter. And, what they both seem to have in common is—they are all about the buck. No kidding.
Arum knew just what to offer Floyd Mayweather, JR., to turn him off. He truly knows what offer Floyd would take, and what offer he would turn down. Remember, Arum knows Floyd very well. When Bob Arum is truly ready for “The Big Fight” to happen (Mayweather vs. Pacquiao), he knows what to do. This is what he does for a living. He is not quite ready for this match up.
Team Mayweather’s response was just the way he hoped it would be. First of all, he gives Floyd a deadline on negotiations. Floyd had just come off one of the biggest wins of his career in the Shane Mosley wipeout. And when we talk pay per view numbers, the dude is king… “Money” Mayweather has demonstrated time and time again that he “put butts in seats,” when it comes to selling a fight.
Arum knows as long as he can keep “Money” Mayweather away from Manny Pacquiao, his stock will continue to rise. Right now the only fighter that poses a real threat to Pacquiao is “Money” Mayweather. Arum knows that if, and when that fight happens, Floyd could end up beating Manny so bad, that his stocks will plummet over night. Arum is not ready for that to happen. Millions of dollars on top of millions would go down the drain. That would be Arum’s worst nightmare.
Okay, know that the chess game favorites Arum, he can place Manny Pacquiao in fights that he can win and also have the pleasure of promoting both fighters. Remember, he promotes Miguel Cotto and Antonio Margarito, whose boxing privileges will probably be re-granted in the weeks to come. He has already made it known that Pacquiao will be fighting one of these guys on November 2010. These two fighters will allow Arum to maximize the most profit with very little risk. Bob Arum is a lot smarter than we give him credit for. He has this whole thing all planned out and it’s going just as planned.
With Team Mayweather watching from the sidelines, Arum now has both Jerry Jones and his new Cowboy Stadium in Texas, and MGM Casino of Las Vegas as the home of Pacquiao’s next fights. The highest bidder of the two will probably get his next bout. As Jim Lampley would say “That’s some colorful stuff.”
After the dominating performance “Money” Mayweather displayed over Shane Mosley, tell me what promoter would want to jeopardize the legacy of his fighter, when he can gain more by fighting this guy on a later date? The writing was on the wall when, I heard from several sources, that Arum did not contact Team Mayweather at all during negotiations. Instead all negotiations went through the president of HBO Sports Ross Greenburg.
According to Arum, weeks ago negotiations were going well with Team Mayweather, however, now we know that was just speculations. The results we the boxing fans have received from the news of “The Big Fight” have gone just the way Bob Arum planned it. He really wants no parts of “Money” Mayweather right now. Too early, just not part of the plan right now. Arum will deal with “Money” Mayweather when the time is right for him, not the fighters or the fans.
With old-father time knocking at the door, maybe Arum is about to make his own departure in the sport of boxing and have two to three fights in mind for Manny Pacquiao with “Money” Mayweather being the last on the list. Once again I will repeat myself and say “If Bob Arum wanted “The Big Fight,” to take place now, he knows just the kind of offer to present to Floyd, with the agreement of Manny and the fight would be on—just that simple!
Arum knew just what would tick “Money” Mayweather off, and it did. Floyd felt so disrespected by Arum, he refused to say anything. It silenced him! That was wisdom at its best. Sometimes the best answer is to “say nothing.” Bob knew if he pissed of Team Mayweather, it would buy him more time to put together the other fights he had in mind before “The Big Fight.” With Bob Arum, its nothing personal against the fans, “it’s all about the Benjamins.”
I guess if you look at things from a seasoned promoters prospective, whom seen his younger days as a promoter “if it don’t make big money, it don’t make sense.” Arum knows that the biggest fight to be made in boxing is Floyd and Manny. Worst case scenario, even if both of these fighters should lose their very next fight, they still would be a big attraction facing each other, fans would still buy that fight, so Bob’s Arums point is—what’s the rush?
One would think that trial and error is usually the best teacher. Even, if you are an architect, building a house or a carpenter, designing cabinets; without a blueprint or a design to follow, you are bound to make some mistakes. That is why it is important to follow the necessary steps to prevent making costly mistakes.
Bob Arum, Manny Pacquiao’s promoter has been promoting fights for many, many decades. If anyone should have the blueprint on putting together a fight, it should be him. Arum promoted some of the biggest fights in the 70’s and 80’s. He knows promoting, as good as most preachers know The Bible. This is how he gained all of his riches, and boy is he loaded.
I must admit he is the best at what he does. Arum has mastered the promoting game. Floyd “Money” Mayweather knows him better than anyone, because he was once promoted by him. Their departure was very bitter. And, what they both seem to have in common is—they are all about the buck. No kidding.
Arum knew just what to offer Floyd Mayweather, JR., to turn him off. He truly knows what offer Floyd would take, and what offer he would turn down. Remember, Arum knows Floyd very well. When Bob Arum is truly ready for “The Big Fight” to happen (Mayweather vs. Pacquiao), he knows what to do. This is what he does for a living. He is not quite ready for this match up.
Team Mayweather’s response was just the way he hoped it would be. First of all, he gives Floyd a deadline on negotiations. Floyd had just come off one of the biggest wins of his career in the Shane Mosley wipeout. And when we talk pay per view numbers, the dude is king… “Money” Mayweather has demonstrated time and time again that he “put butts in seats,” when it comes to selling a fight.
Arum knows as long as he can keep “Money” Mayweather away from Manny Pacquiao, his stock will continue to rise. Right now the only fighter that poses a real threat to Pacquiao is “Money” Mayweather. Arum knows that if, and when that fight happens, Floyd could end up beating Manny so bad, that his stocks will plummet over night. Arum is not ready for that to happen. Millions of dollars on top of millions would go down the drain. That would be Arum’s worst nightmare.
Okay, know that the chess game favorites Arum, he can place Manny Pacquiao in fights that he can win and also have the pleasure of promoting both fighters. Remember, he promotes Miguel Cotto and Antonio Margarito, whose boxing privileges will probably be re-granted in the weeks to come. He has already made it known that Pacquiao will be fighting one of these guys on November 2010. These two fighters will allow Arum to maximize the most profit with very little risk. Bob Arum is a lot smarter than we give him credit for. He has this whole thing all planned out and it’s going just as planned.
With Team Mayweather watching from the sidelines, Arum now has both Jerry Jones and his new Cowboy Stadium in Texas, and MGM Casino of Las Vegas as the home of Pacquiao’s next fights. The highest bidder of the two will probably get his next bout. As Jim Lampley would say “That’s some colorful stuff.”
After the dominating performance “Money” Mayweather displayed over Shane Mosley, tell me what promoter would want to jeopardize the legacy of his fighter, when he can gain more by fighting this guy on a later date? The writing was on the wall when, I heard from several sources, that Arum did not contact Team Mayweather at all during negotiations. Instead all negotiations went through the president of HBO Sports Ross Greenburg.
According to Arum, weeks ago negotiations were going well with Team Mayweather, however, now we know that was just speculations. The results we the boxing fans have received from the news of “The Big Fight” have gone just the way Bob Arum planned it. He really wants no parts of “Money” Mayweather right now. Too early, just not part of the plan right now. Arum will deal with “Money” Mayweather when the time is right for him, not the fighters or the fans.
With old-father time knocking at the door, maybe Arum is about to make his own departure in the sport of boxing and have two to three fights in mind for Manny Pacquiao with “Money” Mayweather being the last on the list. Once again I will repeat myself and say “If Bob Arum wanted “The Big Fight,” to take place now, he knows just the kind of offer to present to Floyd, with the agreement of Manny and the fight would be on—just that simple!
Arum knew just what would tick “Money” Mayweather off, and it did. Floyd felt so disrespected by Arum, he refused to say anything. It silenced him! That was wisdom at its best. Sometimes the best answer is to “say nothing.” Bob knew if he pissed of Team Mayweather, it would buy him more time to put together the other fights he had in mind before “The Big Fight.” With Bob Arum, its nothing personal against the fans, “it’s all about the Benjamins.”
I guess if you look at things from a seasoned promoters prospective, whom seen his younger days as a promoter “if it don’t make big money, it don’t make sense.” Arum knows that the biggest fight to be made in boxing is Floyd and Manny. Worst case scenario, even if both of these fighters should lose their very next fight, they still would be a big attraction facing each other, fans would still buy that fight, so Bob’s Arums point is—what’s the rush?
Mayweather to fight Hatton?
By Matt Stein: There are a number of rumors circulating around that Floyd Mayweather Jr. will, instead of fighting Manny Pacquiao, will be taking on Ricky Hatton next in a rematch of their December 2007 bout. It makes perfect sense, because with Pacquiao making what appears to be a huge blunder by fighting Antonio Margarito in November, Mayweather will be able to line up a fight with Hatton and bring in another 1.4 million pay per view buys. Hatton has resisted making a comeback for the past year since being starched in the 2nd round by Pacquiao last May. However, Hatton has said that he would like to comeback and fight Mayweather if he were interested.
I think this would be the perfect fight for Mayweather to take. He could have it staged in England, where Mayweather is well thought of by the fans, and it would do huge PPV numbers. As long as Mayweather could get a piece of the UK PPV revenue, I think he might do it. If Mayweather really wants to put himself in a strong position for negotiations with Pacquiao in early 2011, fighting Hatton in a rematch would be the way to go. Hatton, of course, would have to burn off 40 to 50 pounds of fat to get down to a decent fighting weight, but I think he could do it for a fight with Mayweather.
Hatton was doing a reasonable job against Mayweather for the first six rounds of the fight before he started having problems with the referee not allowing him to work on the inside. If Hatton can get Mayweather in England, with an English referee and 30,000 Hatton fans screaming encouragement for him, I think he could give Mayweather a reason run for the money. I don’t know if he could win, but if he’s allowed to work on the inside this time, I think he might be problems for Mayweather.
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I think this would be the perfect fight for Mayweather to take. He could have it staged in England, where Mayweather is well thought of by the fans, and it would do huge PPV numbers. As long as Mayweather could get a piece of the UK PPV revenue, I think he might do it. If Mayweather really wants to put himself in a strong position for negotiations with Pacquiao in early 2011, fighting Hatton in a rematch would be the way to go. Hatton, of course, would have to burn off 40 to 50 pounds of fat to get down to a decent fighting weight, but I think he could do it for a fight with Mayweather.
Hatton was doing a reasonable job against Mayweather for the first six rounds of the fight before he started having problems with the referee not allowing him to work on the inside. If Hatton can get Mayweather in England, with an English referee and 30,000 Hatton fans screaming encouragement for him, I think he could give Mayweather a reason run for the money. I don’t know if he could win, but if he’s allowed to work on the inside this time, I think he might be problems for Mayweather.
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Boxing News: Did Shane Mosley Shake Floyd Mayweather’s Confidence?
Boxing News: Did Shane Mosley Shake Floyd Mayweather’s Confidence? You really have to wonder how Floyd Mayweather Jr. could leave a guaranteed $30+ million on the table by not signing to fight Manny Pacquiao. While Mayweather dominated Shane Mosley in their May 2010 bout Floyd showed that his chin could be more porcelain than granite after a Mosley right hand almost crumpled him. Granted, any fighter can be stunned by the right type of shot but after 25+ years boxing Floyd’s punch resistance may not be what it once was. Floyd is one of the more self-actualized boxers in the sport that is fully aware of his strengths and limitations.
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Boxing Picks Analysis: Floyd wasn’t just stunned by Mosley’s right hand momentarily, he was practically out on his feet for nearly two rounds. It could be that Mayweather has been aware that he doesn’t won the best set of whiskers, which is why he adopted such a risk-free boxing style. Remember that nobody really knew that Roy Jones Jr. was china-chinned until he started getting caught late in his career.
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Punch resistance is also something that fades over time. A human melon can only take so much trauma and as slick as Floyd Mayweather is he has taken some shots throughout sparring and bouts against world-class competition. The “Pretty Boy” displays a confident demeanor but that bomb he absorbed from Mosley might have robbed him of some bravado deep down.
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Boxing Picks Analysis: Floyd wasn’t just stunned by Mosley’s right hand momentarily, he was practically out on his feet for nearly two rounds. It could be that Mayweather has been aware that he doesn’t won the best set of whiskers, which is why he adopted such a risk-free boxing style. Remember that nobody really knew that Roy Jones Jr. was china-chinned until he started getting caught late in his career.
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Punch resistance is also something that fades over time. A human melon can only take so much trauma and as slick as Floyd Mayweather is he has taken some shots throughout sparring and bouts against world-class competition. The “Pretty Boy” displays a confident demeanor but that bomb he absorbed from Mosley might have robbed him of some bravado deep down.
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Pacquiao, Mayweather fight nixed again
Las Vegas, NV - Manny Pacquiao will fight on November 13, 2010 after all...just not against the undefeated Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Instead, the title holder in seven different weight divisions will face, according to multiple sources, the disgraced Antonio Margarito in a bout that has yet to be given a destination.
Margarito (37-8-0) and his trainer, Javier Capetillo, had their boxing licence suspended by the California State Athletic Commission after a substance was found inside the boxer’s gloves prior to a fight against “Sugar” Shane Mosley in January 2009.
The 32-year-old Margarito lost the fight and his WBA welterweight title when Mosley scored a technical knockout 43 seconds into the ninth round. He bested Roberto Garcia in a unanimous decision this past May in his native Mexico but has not been cleared to fight in the United States.
The decision to fight Margarito comes after another attempt to sign a deal with Mayweather fell by the wayside.
The Mayweather camp did not respond to Bob Arum’s self-imposed midnight (pt) cutoff last week, and Pacquiao’s agent opted to put the proposed mega-fight on the back burner yet again.
Several months ago, Pacquiao (51-3-2) refused to submit random blood tests within 30 days prior to a proposed fight date with Mayweather. Arum, though, said that hurdle has been crossed in the newest negotiations.
Nevertheless, the 31-year-old Filipino, who recently became a congressman in his native country, will look for his 13th straight victory in November.
Instead, the title holder in seven different weight divisions will face, according to multiple sources, the disgraced Antonio Margarito in a bout that has yet to be given a destination.
Margarito (37-8-0) and his trainer, Javier Capetillo, had their boxing licence suspended by the California State Athletic Commission after a substance was found inside the boxer’s gloves prior to a fight against “Sugar” Shane Mosley in January 2009.
The 32-year-old Margarito lost the fight and his WBA welterweight title when Mosley scored a technical knockout 43 seconds into the ninth round. He bested Roberto Garcia in a unanimous decision this past May in his native Mexico but has not been cleared to fight in the United States.
The decision to fight Margarito comes after another attempt to sign a deal with Mayweather fell by the wayside.
The Mayweather camp did not respond to Bob Arum’s self-imposed midnight (pt) cutoff last week, and Pacquiao’s agent opted to put the proposed mega-fight on the back burner yet again.
Several months ago, Pacquiao (51-3-2) refused to submit random blood tests within 30 days prior to a proposed fight date with Mayweather. Arum, though, said that hurdle has been crossed in the newest negotiations.
Nevertheless, the 31-year-old Filipino, who recently became a congressman in his native country, will look for his 13th straight victory in November.
Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather: Truth on Why it Didn’t Happen
Opinion by Alex Groberman
(1 Day Ago) in Sports / Manny Pacquiao
At times during the rollercoaster that is the greatest fight to never happen, you have to take a step back and look at the fans of both Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao.
On Mayweather’s side, originally, you had true boxing aficionados who were certain that his technical know-how and defensive ability would give him the edge over his opponent.
On Pacquiao’s side, originally, you had true boxing aficionados who were certain that his speed and knockout ability would give him the edge over his opponent.
The two groups mentioned above, have turned into “Floydiots” and “Pactards.”
Now it’s important to note, the reason that a once-fascinating boxing debate devolved into a third-grade shouting match isn’t because the original fans got dumber, it’s because a bunch of dumb fans got added into the mix.
In Mayweather’s new corner you have a group of people who don’t know a boxing glove from a kitchen mitten. That, however, does not stop them from arguing for their guy because they don’t like how pro-Pacquiao the media has come.
Then, you have Pacquiao’s merry new band of supporters. They never followed boxing before the Filipino superstar blew up, know little about the sport but have a lot of national pride. They belittle Mayweather’s track record, and constantly accuse him of ducking.
The problem with both sides is that they legitimately ruin the debate for people who actually know what they are talking about.
First and foremost, it’s important to understand how money splits in boxing occur. They are not based on perceived talent, or on who you think is the better person. Rather, they are based on the marketability and selling power of the fighters in the match.
For some reason, both “Floydiots” and “Pactards” have shown a complete inability to comprehend several factors involved in the money-split for this fight. They seem to think it’s cut-and-dry that the guy who isn’t their new favorite boxer in the world should accept what their new favorite boxer in the world is offering. It’s not that simple.
First of all, Mayweather has more than proven with his last two fights that he is a bigger draw than Pacquiao is. Again, for all the international hoopla, for all the attention that the Filipino sensation gets on nifty Pacland message boards, Mayweather is the bigger draw. This is not opinion, this is undeniable truth. A fact.
With that said, the reason that Mayweather-Pacquiao has the potential to do such huge numbers is not strictly because of Mayweather. Rather, it is the combination of the two arguably best pound for pound boxers coming together to decide who is better once and for all that is the draw. Thus, while Mayweather may be the traditionally bigger draw and may usually get more of the fight money, you can see why Pacquiao’s side would object to this idea now.
Clearly, the money division is not the black-and-white situation that fans try to make it out to be in the comments sections of news articles.
Besides the money, though, there is a bigger problem. That problem’s name is Bob Arum.
Arum, Pacquiao’s promoter, has a long history of shady business dealings and telling various untruths to get his way. He, like the majority of other promoters in the boxing industry is someone who you should listen to for the same reason you listen to your favorite comedian – entertain purposes. He is not to be believed, and by no means trusted for anything he says.
Anyone that knows anything about boxing, knows that if Arum says that “A” and “B” happened, you can expect that “C” and “D” really happened.
I guess Pacquiao’s new fans didn’t get that memo, though.
Arum has been telling anyone who will listen that he has been negotiating with Mayweather’s people. Mayweather’s corner, however, denies the claims.
Here is what really happened: Arum has been using HBO Sports president, Ross Greenburg, as the go-between to pass messages along to Mayweather’s people for the fight. Now, we have no idea what these terms were, nor do we know what Arum’s intentions (mind you, his history with the Mayweathers isn’t great) were when he passed the terms along. The reason we don’t know about the terms, by the way, is because Arum refused to specify them.
Then, Greenburg would go and give those terms to Mayweather’s people. According to Arum, said people never responded to his proposals. Now, unlike with the terms of the fight that he passed along, the famed promoter had no problem telling the media that he had in fact passed a proposal along to the Mayweather camp. This, of course, went directly against the “we won’t deal through the media” agreement that the two corners agreed to after fight discussions broke down last time.
Now, I want fans to be clear on this: Arum has admitted that he did not personally contact Mayweather’s personal advisors or the President of Golden Boy Promotions. Again, this is not opinion, this is not hearsay, this is a proven fact. Arum’s idea of direct negotiations, strangely enough, did not actually involve the party he was trying to negotiate with.
Arum never expected this fight to happen in 2010. He was just playing the media, gullable fans and anyone with any vested interest in the fight for fools. He simply wanted good press for himself and his fighter at the expense of Mayweather, and this is how he chose to get it.
As soon as the laughable deadline that Arum set up for Mayweather to agree to his new terms expired, he issued a statement that he understood why Mayweather would not want to fight this year. That Mayweather’s uncle was having legal problems, and that as a result he was probably in no mood to fight.
Really? So why set the deadline in the first place?
For the sake of PR.
Then, with his mission of creating a media storm accomplished, Arum moved on to create a fight for November 13 between Pacquiao and Antonio Margarito, another fighter from his Top Rank group.
So for those keeping score at home it’s: Bob Arum 1 Boxing Fans 0.
Congratulations gullible fans, you’ve all just been punk’d. Arum lured you all in with a lot of dramatics about a Pacquiao-Mayweather bout this year, only substitute it with a filler fight at the last second.
Not that watching the Filipino sensation pound on an unlicensed known cheater isn’t great though…
The worst part of it is that if you look around, everyone fell for it. Mayweather’s fans (all three of them active on the internet) are screaming to high heaven that Pacquiao is at fault for the fight not happening. Pacquiao’s fans are ranting and raving about Mayweather being a “ducker” and a chicken.
And all is happening while the main culprit, Arum, grins and shoves money into his pockets, laughing all the way to the bank because the fans don’t even realize they have been duped.
Hey, maybe we are all “Floydiots” and “Pactards” after all
(1 Day Ago) in Sports / Manny Pacquiao
At times during the rollercoaster that is the greatest fight to never happen, you have to take a step back and look at the fans of both Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao.
On Mayweather’s side, originally, you had true boxing aficionados who were certain that his technical know-how and defensive ability would give him the edge over his opponent.
On Pacquiao’s side, originally, you had true boxing aficionados who were certain that his speed and knockout ability would give him the edge over his opponent.
The two groups mentioned above, have turned into “Floydiots” and “Pactards.”
Now it’s important to note, the reason that a once-fascinating boxing debate devolved into a third-grade shouting match isn’t because the original fans got dumber, it’s because a bunch of dumb fans got added into the mix.
In Mayweather’s new corner you have a group of people who don’t know a boxing glove from a kitchen mitten. That, however, does not stop them from arguing for their guy because they don’t like how pro-Pacquiao the media has come.
Then, you have Pacquiao’s merry new band of supporters. They never followed boxing before the Filipino superstar blew up, know little about the sport but have a lot of national pride. They belittle Mayweather’s track record, and constantly accuse him of ducking.
The problem with both sides is that they legitimately ruin the debate for people who actually know what they are talking about.
First and foremost, it’s important to understand how money splits in boxing occur. They are not based on perceived talent, or on who you think is the better person. Rather, they are based on the marketability and selling power of the fighters in the match.
For some reason, both “Floydiots” and “Pactards” have shown a complete inability to comprehend several factors involved in the money-split for this fight. They seem to think it’s cut-and-dry that the guy who isn’t their new favorite boxer in the world should accept what their new favorite boxer in the world is offering. It’s not that simple.
First of all, Mayweather has more than proven with his last two fights that he is a bigger draw than Pacquiao is. Again, for all the international hoopla, for all the attention that the Filipino sensation gets on nifty Pacland message boards, Mayweather is the bigger draw. This is not opinion, this is undeniable truth. A fact.
With that said, the reason that Mayweather-Pacquiao has the potential to do such huge numbers is not strictly because of Mayweather. Rather, it is the combination of the two arguably best pound for pound boxers coming together to decide who is better once and for all that is the draw. Thus, while Mayweather may be the traditionally bigger draw and may usually get more of the fight money, you can see why Pacquiao’s side would object to this idea now.
Clearly, the money division is not the black-and-white situation that fans try to make it out to be in the comments sections of news articles.
Besides the money, though, there is a bigger problem. That problem’s name is Bob Arum.
Arum, Pacquiao’s promoter, has a long history of shady business dealings and telling various untruths to get his way. He, like the majority of other promoters in the boxing industry is someone who you should listen to for the same reason you listen to your favorite comedian – entertain purposes. He is not to be believed, and by no means trusted for anything he says.
Anyone that knows anything about boxing, knows that if Arum says that “A” and “B” happened, you can expect that “C” and “D” really happened.
I guess Pacquiao’s new fans didn’t get that memo, though.
Arum has been telling anyone who will listen that he has been negotiating with Mayweather’s people. Mayweather’s corner, however, denies the claims.
Here is what really happened: Arum has been using HBO Sports president, Ross Greenburg, as the go-between to pass messages along to Mayweather’s people for the fight. Now, we have no idea what these terms were, nor do we know what Arum’s intentions (mind you, his history with the Mayweathers isn’t great) were when he passed the terms along. The reason we don’t know about the terms, by the way, is because Arum refused to specify them.
Then, Greenburg would go and give those terms to Mayweather’s people. According to Arum, said people never responded to his proposals. Now, unlike with the terms of the fight that he passed along, the famed promoter had no problem telling the media that he had in fact passed a proposal along to the Mayweather camp. This, of course, went directly against the “we won’t deal through the media” agreement that the two corners agreed to after fight discussions broke down last time.
Now, I want fans to be clear on this: Arum has admitted that he did not personally contact Mayweather’s personal advisors or the President of Golden Boy Promotions. Again, this is not opinion, this is not hearsay, this is a proven fact. Arum’s idea of direct negotiations, strangely enough, did not actually involve the party he was trying to negotiate with.
Arum never expected this fight to happen in 2010. He was just playing the media, gullable fans and anyone with any vested interest in the fight for fools. He simply wanted good press for himself and his fighter at the expense of Mayweather, and this is how he chose to get it.
As soon as the laughable deadline that Arum set up for Mayweather to agree to his new terms expired, he issued a statement that he understood why Mayweather would not want to fight this year. That Mayweather’s uncle was having legal problems, and that as a result he was probably in no mood to fight.
Really? So why set the deadline in the first place?
For the sake of PR.
Then, with his mission of creating a media storm accomplished, Arum moved on to create a fight for November 13 between Pacquiao and Antonio Margarito, another fighter from his Top Rank group.
So for those keeping score at home it’s: Bob Arum 1 Boxing Fans 0.
Congratulations gullible fans, you’ve all just been punk’d. Arum lured you all in with a lot of dramatics about a Pacquiao-Mayweather bout this year, only substitute it with a filler fight at the last second.
Not that watching the Filipino sensation pound on an unlicensed known cheater isn’t great though…
The worst part of it is that if you look around, everyone fell for it. Mayweather’s fans (all three of them active on the internet) are screaming to high heaven that Pacquiao is at fault for the fight not happening. Pacquiao’s fans are ranting and raving about Mayweather being a “ducker” and a chicken.
And all is happening while the main culprit, Arum, grins and shoves money into his pockets, laughing all the way to the bank because the fans don’t even realize they have been duped.
Hey, maybe we are all “Floydiots” and “Pactards” after all
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